When I became pregnant, my inner voice was so clear, so beautifully strong, that it was my guiding force.
I moved through decisions and pathway, guided by a clarity like none other.
It was incredible.
I didn’t see any doctors or get any tests, or any scans to “tell ME” how my baby was doing.
I focused my energy on connecting with the spirit of my child daily, by giving myself belly massages and talking to him.
Having conversations with him throughout the day.
I had infinite trust in me and him and the process of birth.
In First Nations indigenous cultures in North America, they talk about how men need sweat lodges to connect to the divine because… they don’t give birth. and they don’t have periods.
Women, on the other hand, have this constant, monthly opening of the cervix—which is considered to be the door between life and death—with menstruation, and therefore regular access to these divine realms.
Men do not.
And therefore they must seek out vision quests and challenges like sweat lodges that push them deep into themselves to find that divine connection.
Women have it between their legs.
In Bali, children are considered to be little demi-gods.
This is because they’ve just come from “heaven’ or the other worlds, or however you want to refer to spiritual planes beyond this one.
And so they are thought to be most in touch with this pure, spiritual energy.
And thus, so is the pregnant woman.
From the moment of conception, she is a vessel and an anchor for this energy to come into the world.
I LOVED being pregnant.
If I could stay pregnant always, I would.
I loved having that next-level, other-worldly, brilliant intuition.
I loved watching my body create—completely through its own direction and encoded wisdom—new life.
I LOVED being a vessel for that.
In spiritual teachings and writings all over the world, there is an idea woven through them that a woman leads a man home to God.
SHE is more in touch with these divine realms, because she is the doorway to them.
So the woman, through her vagina, through her cervix, and especially though birth, is a portal to God, the heavens, the spiritual worlds.
Her entire pregnancy is a heightened state of being, in which she has greater access to these areas every moment of her existence.
How. Incredible. Is. That?
Once she gives birth in the way she was meant to—in complete power and sovereignty—her own body and connection with the divine guiding her every step, every moment of the way—she emerges through the greatest warrior-test a woman could be given.
Crossing the threshold of life land death.
The queen of all the shamans.
Bringing new life forth from the other worlds.
Triumphant. Embodying the true archetype of the goddess.
She who slays all obstacles.
The role of the archetypal mother, the queen, the pregnant woman and her role as the ultimate spiritual shaman of this realm has been utterly denigrated.
Instead of claiming this power she INNATELY HAS—that every woman INNATELY HAS—she is instead cajoled into participating in the most humiliating of rituals.
This starts at the beginning of her pregnancy, with constant hands up her vagina, to being strapped to machines that pulse ultra-damaging and autism-causing ionic radiation into her child’s brain, all the way through submitting to endless poison shots for her children to keep them lifelong customers of the Pharma-WHO-re medical system.
The constant refrain is that she is utterly incapable of doing this—of birthing and raising healthy, beautiful, spiritual children—without a team of strangers to help, and if we’re being honest—sabotage—the natural process.
Her powers have all but been stripped from her.
The most magical, powerful awakening, transformative experience of a woman’s life has been turned into torture and rape.
And she emerges a haggard, ragged, lost, conquered, slavish being.
A shadow of what she could be.
The most powerful vehicle for spiritual light and life, has been extinguished.
Instead of using pregnancy and birth as the ultimate journey of self-realization and even God-realization, it becomes an initiation into powerlessness.
The focus I place on birth is to awaken people to what they’ve been misled about it.
The truth is, this is what a natural, sovereign, empowered pregnancy and birth brings you:
- Confidence, boldness and the ability to stand up and speak your truth.
- Knowing that you can do anything in your life. If you can do this.
- An even stronger link with your intuition and divine guidance, that leads you through pregnancy, birth and into all parts of your life. You’ve earned this. And you get to keep it.
- A transcendent, pleasurable and orgasmic birth
- A deepened relationship and love of yourself and your body
- A strengthened bond with your partner
- An un-traumatized child – which is a rarity in this world – who will also have a stronger connection to their innate knowing and the divine
- You emerge from birth in a state of euphoria that lasts weeks, months and even years.
Today we’re speaking with Sylvie. She had done several of my online salon programs.
She’d already had a child, and decided to take my Sexy Mama Salon knowing that in the future, she wanted to have another.
Her first birth experience was less than ideal.
Armed with the confidence through doing the Sexy Mama Salon, she had a totally FREE second pregnancy and birth.
Meaning, she had NO doctors, no midwives involved at any stage of the process.
And her husband.
And then her baby.
WELL-F**KED ALL STAR INTERVIEW: Kim and Sylvie
KIM: Welcome, Sylvie! I’m so delighted to have you here.
SYLVIE: So happy to be here. Thank you, Kim.
KIM: You have such an incredible, All Star, wild, and sovereign pregnancy and birth story that we would love to hear.
SYLVIE: All right! I just had my second son a couple of months ago and it was a completely transformational birth experience and pregnancy, thanks to your course. It was like the complete opposite end of the spectrum from my experience with my first-born son. It was just very refreshing and empowering and I feel like I have been reborn that way you are supposed to be reborn with birth.
KIM: I love it. You, like many women, had a first birth experience that was less than optimal, although I don’t know how many women realize it at the time, because they’re just told, like you have a baby, you have you, you’re healthy, baby’s healthy, and then you came into my Sexy Mama Salon where I present this whole other paradigm of what’s possible in pregnancy and birth.
Even though my job is to provide just a whole wealth of information for you to be able to make your own decisions, I lean towards free birth and the idea that women are really capable and even meant to govern themselves throughout their pregnancy and certainly during their birth.
What was the journey for you?
SYLVIE: It was definitely easier to make the decision for a wild pregnancy with the state of the world, the complete madness. I had started with my first birth at a birth center, where I thought it would be respectful, and it very quickly became apparent that it was not, as they were pushing the flu vaccine on me and telling me I needed to get a chicken pox vaccine. So I had left their services and found a home birth midwife.
And I was naïve, I just thought that home birth meant that my wishes would be supported. I wasn’t aware of all the rules that they come with, and they don’t disclose necessarily.
Probably a week before I went—I gave birth on my estimate due date and a week before, my midwife sent me for an ultrasound. And at that point, I had like a pretty strong gut intuition that ultrasounds were not good, but I bowed down and I drove in torrential rain to have this ultrasound and the ultrasound tech laughed and she was like, “Your baby is in position and perfect.” And my midwife was kind of like, “I can’t find your baby,” and I did know deep down everything was fine. But that was just like one example of like the kind of relationship that we had. It was very much—she was the authority figure, and she always had two other women with her.
When my sensations began, I didn’t even want to call her. I emailed her. That now, in reflection, shows me how much I did not want her in my birth space.
When they arrived, I had planned on birthing in my bedroom, because it’s my safe space, I love it. It wasn’t where our baby was made, but it’s like one of the places we love to like make love, and it’s our sanctuary.
I realized very quickly I didn’t want them in my bedroom, so we went into a room that we called the healing room to set up the birthing pool. But that was just because I didn’t want them in my personal space. Then that was just kind of—it was very quick, it was four-and-a-half hours, but right before my son was going to arrive, she told me I needed to get out of the birthing pool and she told my husband to have our bags ready because she was calling 911.
We were both in complete shock, like, what the fuck? Everything is fine, we thought. It’s been four hours. It’s been super easygoing and chill. And the EMTs arrived and they looked at her like she was bat-chick crazy. They looked at me and they said, “You can birth your baby.” They were very respectful, they left, they went outside.
But meanwhile, in the 9 to 11 minutes of waiting for them, I was forced to be out of the birthing pool, I had to be on all fours, she hooked me up to oxygen, she had one of her assistants like teaching me, coaching me how to breathe. I was hyperventilating probably because I couldn’t—I was holding my baby, who was pretty much like—I was having to prevent my body from doing everything it wanted to do to birth my child. She was telling me I could not birth my child for safety reasons. It was such a mindfuck and I always would go back for a while, like in my postpartum, I’d go back and I’d be like, I wish I had just birthed my son rather than having to like hold that, hold them back.
Immediately after the EMTs gave me permission, I birthed my son. He was fine. Of course, she like continued with her cascade of fear and it was the first time I learned if I didn’t birth my placenta within an hour, she would have to transfer me. I had never heard that before. I had never known to ask. I didn’t know that that was even a thing. At like minute-45 and I’m just so stressed out because my placenta hasn’t been born, but I have my baby and the last thing I want is to go to the hospital but it feels like I can’t refuse anything. Now I know better.
At like literally minute-55 the placenta was birthed and that was that. But I was up till 11:30 in this space that we call the healing room instead of in my sanctuary of my bedroom. Like looking back, it’s just everything could’ve been—it’s all good. It was what got me to where I am today and with the second birth.
All in all, I wasn’t transferred to the hospital, it wasn’t what it could’ve been, but for me and our experience, it was still more than it—it didn’t need to be that way.
KIM: Yeah. What I find interesting in listening to you talk is you’ve said a few times even that then they “gave me permission to,” like “I was allowed to,” right? And that is the whole narrative that’s just so completely drilled into people’s heads, is like that they tell you what you can do at what stage.
I love that your intuition was clear, you were fine, and even the metaphor of not wanting them in your personal space, not wanting them in your bedroom, and then that rigid—the podcast I just did was about this idea that midwives have been coopted into the allopathic system—or “med-wives,” more of the state hospital sort of midwife. They are relegated by these same time limits that if you don’t adhere to, then it’s immediately into intervention-land and that is just so the antithesis of what midwives were meant to be, which was facilitators and putting the power back into you, rather than taking it from you. Or like you said, being the authority figure.
SYLVIE: Yes. And I had like asked for no Doppler monitoring and of course they chose to do that. You’re in this state where it can be hard to fight, but I was, I was very much in the mindset of all of my programming from my childhood. All the movies I had seen, all that I had ever heard about birth, I was doing it right by having the home birth midwife, of course she was going to keep me safe, me and my baby safe. I didn’t know.
KIM: Right. I mean, you did reasonably well. You did pretty well considering like what could’ve happened.
SYLVIE: I did.
KIM: Or like the things they could’ve done and thankfully the EMTs came and were like, “Huh? No problem here.” Because they were probably at the point where if they had said, “No, no, no, protocol or whatever, we need to take her away.”
KIM: It could’ve been very different. And miraculously, that even with those interruptions, you were still able to proceed because for many women, that amount of interruption, that interference, might be the stopping point for them. Which then becomes, labeled, “stalled labor,” and then need more interventions when it’s really just the fact that people were interfering with the natural process, that it’s hard to get back in that flow again. But it’s amazing that you were able to.
SYLVIE: Shows a lot about my very determined son’s—and I’m determined, too, but the combination.
KIM: Then what shifted? How did you emerge out of that experience and into what you recently did?
SYLVIE: I was in a pretty dark spot. Even though I lived in—I was like showered with love and meals and my postpartum could’ve been considered really supportive and blissful, I went into a period of just like complete confusion around the transformation into motherhood, but I always wanted to be a mother, so it just didn’t really make any sense like why I was struggling so much. And I lost touch with who I was.
And I followed your work, I saw your new course, the Sexy Mama course. This was a couple years ago. And I emailed and I said, “Is this appropriate, even though I’m not pregnant, I will be at some point again,” and you guys responded saying, “Of course, because you have lifetime access and it’s just valuable information regardless of where you’re at.” Of course, I had like the salons of information on stuff that’s so important for when your child is growing up.
But at first, I wasn’t sure and I’m so happy I made the investment because I was going through the weeks and doing the calls with you, in one of the calls, I shared with you a bit about my birth and my postpartum depression that I was dealing with—or I guess you could label as, whatever.
SYLVIE: I don’t like labels. Yeah, PTSD.
KIM: PTSD, I don’t even acknowledge that that’s a real thing in terms of a natural outcome of just having been pregnant. I would say that pretty much every case—I mean, I haven’t looked at every case, but I would say that it’s a result of having an interfered-with birth.
KIM: Then women are dealing with the fallout of that on some level, the birth experience being robbed from them in varying degrees, of violation, and that they’re struggling to come to terms with is, especially when they can’t name it. Especially when they can’t acknowledge that this did not go—or they can sort of say it didn’t go the way they planned, but then they get the pat on the head and it’s, “Well, just be grateful, dear, everything is fine, baby’s fine.”
Some people I know have just gone through it and I spoke to them last night and I just wanted to debrief with them and they were—but they had like enlisted in the hospital system. They’d had several miscarriages in their relationship and I think they were scared. She’s older, she’s in her mid-forties and so she gets labeled as a high risk geriatric—the term they like to tell them—so they were invested in that system. I just watched from the sidelines, being like, I just—I just think it’s so difficult to enter into the system and then people think that they’re going to end up with a natural birth at the end of it and it’s kind of like a giant pyramid scheme. They’re not going to let you get out of there without—so she ended up with a C-section, like of course, the major crisis, blah, blah, blah, emergency, blah, blah, blah. It becomes one, a manufactured one in that setting. But they were enrolled in the process the entire way of like getting tests throughout the pregnancy, ultrasounds, tests, appointments, fingers up the vagina, hands up the vagina, at some unnecessary but very ritualistic act. And of course, of course.
We were debriefing because I can—at least they’re acknowledging, like the violation that happened and processing that, rather than just being like, “Well, you know, it was just like a big emergency,” which I think there’s some of that, but just had to happen.
Anyway, all this to say that the depression is just the no outlet for acknowledging the grief, the sadness, the frustration, the regret of what’s happened and then many women, I think then I love that to see when they get the chance to redo it, to rebirth that, and then often their story is that then it really helps to cleanse and heal their prior experiences where they may not have had the same kind of power and autonomy.
SYLVIE: Definitely. Yes. In one of the calls, you were able to help me—or like it was like with the information in the salon and in the conversation in the call, where I was able to be like, “Oh, that makes so much sense. My power was taken from me. It was not supposed to be that way. Of course I’m…”
That was literally like the door opening for me. I remember so distinctly because it was around this time of year and I remember just like looking outside after the call and being like, “Okay, like I can see in this…” It was really refreshing and helpful. So thank you for that.
At the time, I loved everything in the salon, but I was definitely a little overwhelmed—or kind of I wasn’t ready for the information on a wild pregnancy. I was like, “Maybe, I don’t know. I mean, I’ll just find a hands-off midwife.” I don’t know what I really was processing but I remember I didn’t really do that challenge week. I was just like, “I’m not going to—I don’t need to do that right now.” I did the other work and it was all awesome and then fast forward to last fall, when I was pregnant again, a couple months pregnant, and I was redoing the course and I dove right in and it was so easy to do. Because I had already been having a wild pregnancy, like from July—or early August, when we conceived, to when the course was going on a couple months later, like that period was already a wild pregnancy, and I had no intention of going for any support in the medical system.
But then I was able to do the course in like this whole other way of diving deep with all the resources of really like being surrounded by the beautiful stories of what birth can look like, pregnancy and birth can look like when it’s less undisturbed, with just the mama and her intuition.
KIM: That’s amazing. I think you had said that to me earlier before we started the official recording, about how that’s what you really felt in the second pregnancy, is that your intuition wasn’t interfered with, where in the first one, there was this grappling then between your intuition and the authority of the system, or the midwife.
SYLVIE: Yeah. I did meet with one—a woman who’s considered the alternative, non-medicalized midwife in the area. My old friend who had helped nanny for a while, she had bartered with her for her first pregnancy and everyone just said, like, “She’s the one. She’s the one who’s okay with you doing whatever you want to do during birth.”
I met with her thinking this could be a good fit. I might just want to be witnessed by a wise woman. She said—I forgot what the—but she was like, “I’ll have Pitocin with me.” And I was like, “Excuse me?” And she was like, “You know, in case your placenta needs help.” Because she said she’d be willing to sit in her car in my driveway while I birthed. Even that, I was like, “I don’t even want you in my driveway.” And I was realizing this as we were talking. But I appreciated that she was excited. She was like, “I’m excited to meet a woman who trusts birth. This is an honor for me.” And we did bond and have like a really nice conversation and I think that she is great.
But it became very apparent that she didn’t trust birth completely because she firmly believes, after her 30 years of practice, that if the placenta is not born quite soon after, that she needs to intervene. That’s when I was like, “Yeah, I can’t.”
When she asked why I wasn’t hiring her, I told her, and she was like, “Well, I don’t have to…” and I was like, no, but your fear is already there. I was able to then realize when someone else comes in with fear baggage what that can do to the space. I did not continue that business relationship with her.
KIM: That’s amazing. I love that, that you were able to identify that, and then tell her, too. Because it’s like people who have—I’m a pretty extreme person in a lot of ways in my beliefs and like being very committed to them. I think that in this kind of endeavor, with a wild pregnancy and a wild birth, free birth, free pregnancy, is that you have to be fully committed. You have to know in yourself fully and if there is any of that doubt, like the work—the whole point of that Sexy Mama program is to do the work and clear any fear, doubt, blockage ahead of time. We’ve cleared the space. We’ve feng shui-ed the space for the birth to just be easy and effortless and without any issues. But without that being done, or anything that’s brought into the space, is all reverberations and felt in the experience.
Your pregnancy was basically without any kind of monitoring?
SYLVIE: Right. I just did a lot of different meditation. Like where I’d lay in bed at night or during the day and I’d tune in with my baby, but nothing professional. No one other than—I guess I did have a blessing lay with some wise women who are in the authentic birth keeper realm that I became connected with, again, thanks to your podcast because you had interviewed Emilee Saldaya of Free Birth Society and Yolande Norris-Clark. Then I learned about the membership program that Emilee runs and I was able to join that and meet some radical sisters in the area and they did a blessing lay for me and I got some henna and some belly rubs that day, which was awesome, because I don’t have anyone in the area, like my friend group in the area who is like really into that stuff, so that was awesome to have that.
KIM: It’s hilarious that you’re like—I said, “Did you have any monitoring?” and you’re like, “Well, I had a blessing lay.”
SYLVIE: That was like the closest touch that I got, other than my husband and my son.
KIM: Yes. The closest thing to any kind of outside influence, which I wouldn’t even call it that. That’s just a, whatever, community experience for your pregnancy.
KIM: Then how did you go into the birth? How was that?
SYLVIE: I had been doing some meditation work with a woman who—so I guess like one thing I do want to add to my story is just that my husband fully supported me. He was the one who had proposed home birth with our firstborn. He fully supported the idea of me going without anyone medical, but he was definitely still struggling with a little bit of PTSD from what we had experienced with our firstborn and he was like, “I would really like to have someone just like who can just be there to hold space.”
I had hired a woman around probably 30 weeks, who she knew that I wanted to be alone. It was an authentic birth keeper that had done the course that Emilee and Yolande run, and so she knew that I did not want to be interfered with during my birth, except for maybe like a back rub, like some counterpressure, if it was needed. But I was really hiring her because my husband just needed someone to like bring the energy down. Like he’s good at grounding, but he can very quickly like come up, when things get exciting.
But what was great was even though—because I had voiced that I didn’t actually want—I wanted to do it alone, my birth was only—a quarter of 1 AM I was woken up and he was born at 3:30. So, she wasn’t even here. I got kind of my wish. But I got to do like meditations with her and some unpacking before. Between that and the work from Sexy Mama and the audio that you provide, like with our words, and then another meditation, I felt really clear about the birth. Like I knew it was going to happen at night. I felt okay if it didn’t, if it happened during the day and my son was awake, it wasn’t a big deal. But I felt confident that it would happen at night and it would be really quick. But I was also okay if it was going to be three days, that was fine.
We had like back-to-back birthdays in our family and it was just a little chaotic and my husband’s birthday was on the 5th and then literally at midnight, I woke up, and I was like, “That could be something,” and I went back to bed. Then at 12:45, I woke up and I was like, “That was definitely something,” and I like to joke, it was like my son literally waited for his own birthday, right after his dad’s. [Laughs]
KIM: [Laughs] I love that. It sounded you had the intuition it would be nighttime or I’ve heard a couple times now women talk about how they were going to bring in an outside influence, because they maybe had just a residual, like you say it, from your partner, or their own residual fear, but they also knew they could do it, and so they construct their birth in a way that that person can’t come.
KIM: [Laughs] Somebody I just interviewed gave birth in a car. They were on their way to the hospital and they had to stop and pull over and the husband comes around the side of the passenger seat where she is and looks and the baby’s head is already out, looking at him, blinking.
SYLVIE: Oh my gosh!
KIM: He’s just, like just pull it out! It’s come to me that women will then create these things if they’re, for whatever reason, not quite there but pretty close, 99%, and then they put this little safety net there that they just manufacture a situation, create a situation where they don’t need it.
SYLVIE: Oh, yeah. I didn’t wake my husband up. I did not want—I love him so much but it’s like I just—I can do this alone. Like I’m going to do it alone. By the time—he woke up eventually and he did a little counterpressure. He tried lighting a candle and I looked to him and it was as if someone turned like the brightest light on in the room and I was like, “What the fuck are you doing?” Or I said like, “Blow that out!” I don’t know exactly what I said. Then I saw he had his phone and was like, “What are you doing?” He’s like, “I’m texting…” like the woman who was coming. And I was like, “What? Why?” [Laughs] He knows already for our next baby, he can literally just not worry. I mean, he knows now to just really leave me alone. I guess I didn’t go over that enough with him. [Laughs]
But it was great, it was literally only like the last 45 minutes and he was so sweet and he was in awe and couldn’t believe it, because I got to catch our son with my own two hands and he didn’t have—he literally—he was just in complete awe and it was great.
It was good. It was very healing for him, too.
KIM: Yeah. What would you say, have you noticed in yourself, like I talked about that, A) The healing that you can have after a birth experience that then cleanses the pallet of like a prior experience that isn’t ideal. Also, you, as a mother, a woman, emerging out of that. Because we talk about birth in its ideal state where you are sovereign, you are free, that it is this wonderful rebirthing, initiating experience.
What was the difference for you coming out of each? Did you notice that and did this have that effect of healing your first birth?
SYLVIE: Definitely healed my first birth. Like completely. That was, I think, the first thing that came to mind. Within hours of being just like snuggled in bed as a family. Wow, this is the experience that I was supposed to have and I’m so happy to have had and so healing.
I would say my energy levels are completely different. My outlook and positivity. Like I’m considered a positive person by people, but I don’t think I was necessarily like authentic. Now I really feel like authentic in my outlook as a mother and as an individual. I don’t know, I’m really excited [laughs] and I want to do it all again. It was just awesome. I’m like, “Yeah! Totally want to do that again!” And I would love to tell everyone my story. People generally don’t necessarily—they’re kind of like, “What?” Because people are so brainwashed to believe how it should be, like all the interventions and the discomfort.
I feel like I shed a really old skin and I got—I feel great.
KIM: How many months postpartum are you now?
SYLVIE: Exactly five. Five as of two days ago.
KIM: You look radiant.
SYLVIE: Thanks. Yeah, I feel—and I just—I’m so in love. I’ve always, obviously, like I love my kids, but I’m just like so in love. Like, oh, this is how it’s—it’s just all there. There’s no weird baggage that I had kind of been carrying before.
KIM: That’s interesting because I think that so many people live with that baggage and they have no idea where it comes from and that’s why this has become a major focus in my work, is that in a couple’s relationship, and even their sex life, the trauma that they sustain in a more intervention-oriented birth is massive, but nobody understands that or acknowledges or even knows to look there as a source for that. That’s why I do a lot to bring that attention—and to reframe what it can be for people as the ultimate, cumulative, orgasmic act out of their sex act.
Anything else that you want to share about your journey and how you emerged and any advice you would give to women?
SYLVIE: I would say definitely dive deep into your course, any of them, but the Sexy Mama one, if you’re pregnant or going to be pregnant or you were pregnant, I mean, any level, it’s just so helpful. It goes through so many different stages in life and all of that was awesome.
I’m super grateful for you for opening the door for me because I wouldn’t have discovered—I’m not on social media and I just don’t know if I would’ve discovered these other resources and outlets and your podcasts and your courses have really just been huge for me. Like I said earlier, I think before we were recording, my son knows your voice. My four-year-old. [Laughs] He really knows your voice because it’s so common.
KIM: I love that! I love that! Yeah.
SYLVIE: Thank you. It’s great just to have your—it is, like your recent podcasts on how to talk to children about sex, it’s like all these things where you’re just like, “Yeah, how do I raise my children?” Because I got so many wrong messages and just like fucked-up shit from my childhood and my family and the people around me. No one meant to do it on purpose. They didn’t know. So I’m excited to have the resources from you, so thank you so much.
KIM: My pleasure. I’m so glad to see it and to watch the evolution and for people to—I mean, the courage. Like I’m so impressed and in awe of the courage that women have to step out of the system because there is so much programming.
To step away from all of that and to operate in full faith of the power and ability of your own body is immense. Yeah.
SYLVIE: Yes. And it’s great. I love growing and expanding and realizing, okay, that is possible. Because it felt intimidating early on and then when I got pregnant, it was like, no, that is so right, for the second time.
KIM: I think, too, like what I felt when I was pregnant is this—like I felt like my intuition was even stronger as a person. Like I just had so much clarity about what I needed to do, and maybe because I was already at a stage where I was—I’d been on a growth journey for a few years and was on this path of eating organic food and like living out in nature, and so I was opening up the channels for that level of intuition to be a daily thing, a regular thing, a moment to moment thing. And then becoming pregnant, I feel like just heightened that, where I was like, this is so amazing. Like my body knows exactly what to do. Like I don’t need to interfere. I don’t need to do anything other than just allow it to emerge and that wisdom to emerge.
It was really clear to me and I thought that—and I guess like when I hear women talk about like being—they hated being pregnant and I was like, like to me, the only way I can see that is if they already have a really difficult relationship with their body and it’s difficult for them to be in their body. They’re quite disassociated from their body. Because pregnancy brings you right in—or it’s meant to—that they just can’t deal. That’s like that’s really awful for them.
SYLVIE: I think that’s exactly right. When someone is disassociated or they have trauma that’s unresolved, they don’t like pregnancy. I love being pregnant. It’s great. And the spiritual like awareness piece is so true. Because I think I was just not fully in my—I wasn’t fully in my power, like as a person, when I got pregnant the first time, and then I hired the midwives, that whole story, but this second go-around, what a difference.
You’re right, yeah, your intuition is like so much more clear.
KIM: I know. I kind of wish that pregnancy state could last forever, right? [Laughs] But I think when you have an empowered birth, it does. Like there is a massive carryover. Maybe it’s not quite as heightened, but those gifts of the intense, real connection to your inner voice and being in tune with your body and then that sense of power and knowing that you’re this divine channel. I do think that that carries over. Like you’re wearing that now. Like you become that, you emerge as that newfound and fully-owned person.
SYLVIE: I agree. I think that it definitely carries over. Totally. Thank you so much for all of it.